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Q: Is it okay to pray to Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but not God?
Is it okay to pray to Jesus or the Holy Spirit and not address God the Father by name in the prayer??
I want to know how to pray better. I have been told to use “the Lord’s prayer” as a model to discover this. But I find that I don’t understand it enough or lack imagination to expound off of that very much to make an impacting prayer [or I feel like it is too regimented and rehearsed]. Please help!!!
Great question! There are a plethora of books and teachings on how to pray, why, when, and what to pray about. I believe we need more teaching exactly whom our petitions and prayers are to be directed within the Trinity. I believe this is a very important issue.I believe the Bible presents God as one being in three distinct persons. I believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are ontologically equal, the same in being and nature. It is important to learn how we connect with the God, the Trinity, and specifically how we do so in prayer.
I’ve spent a long time in my own journey studying the Bible about the Trinity for my own purposes in order to shape my understanding of prayer. I believe that scripture systematically describes our relationship with God the Father, through Jesus Christ, empowered and illuminated by the Holy Spirit. And I believe the same is true in our prayer life. We pray to the Father, through (or by) Jesus, as the Holy Spirit empowers, guides, and directs us. So this is a hot button for me so I’ll do my best to answer this with scripture and with other theologians who have helped me.
I’ve found there are many approaches to prayer being taught and practiced. I believe some are Biblically rooted, others are rooted in church tradition, and others plainly are not Biblical or found in the tradition of Evangelical Christianity at all. Yet one question arises continually. To whom do we pray to within the Trinity? Some people pray to Jesus, some to Holy Spirit, others to God and still others to all three at the same time.
When I first started following Jesus a teenager I wasn’t specifically taught how to pray. I just remember being taught that praying was important and the central way to relate to God. I developed my theology of prayer by listening to others and modeling what I heard. Usually it entailed addressing God in some fashion. “Dear Jesus,” was common and making sure the Holy Spirit was mentioned was important. And of course closing with, “In the name of Jesus, Amen.” I then haphazardly passed this method on to others. As I have matured and experienced different ministry contexts (from Conservative High Catholic Church to Pentecostal Charismatic assemblies), I’ve realized I need a more concise and clear method in order to teach others to pray, especially in regard to the Holy Spirit. Not everyone agrees with me, so I encourage you to come to your conclusions and be able to back them up biblically.
When learning (or teaching someone) to pray I believe the place to start is with how Jesus taught his disciples to pray. The Lord’s Prayer found in Matthew 6 (and Luke 11) is significant and intentional. “This, then, is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’”
Notice that Jesus taught prayer addressed to, “Our Father in Heaven.” This is pivotal in our theology of prayer. Jesus himself never speaks to the Holy Spirit, invites him to come, petitions him, points others to speak to him, or says that he has been speaking to him. So therefore I don’t teach this or practice this myself. I believe that we are to follow Jesus and do what he did and pray as he prayed. Jesus directs us to pray to God our Father. Another way that I understand prayer can be found in Jesus’ invitation to those who want to be his disciples. He says, “Follow me.” In taking up his invitation to follow him there are two things that I believe about his invitation. The first is that his invitation invites us to become a student of him as master teacher. We are invited to watch him, model him, learn from him, become like him, and ultimately pray like him. And second his invitation comes with a destination. Jesus invites humankind to follow him because we have been invited to reconnect once again to the Father from whom we have been separated.
One of my favorite theologians, Stanley J. Grenz, says, “It is always important that we pray in accordance with our Lord’s functions within the divine program.” Grenz teaches that the Father is the recipient of not only our petitions but of our confessions, as well. As it is with the Father that sin destroys fellowship and requires reconciliation. It was for this reason Jesus was sent to give his life on the altar for us, to heal us, and reunite us in God’s family. Jesus as human interacted with God the Father through this Spirit for which we also are invited to replicate. It is through this theology we see the Holy Spirit at work revealing the truth and pointing us to Jesus who is the way to the Father and enables us to pray.
Arthur Wallis’ book “Pray in the Spirit,” says, “Christ’s death, resurrection, and ascension have torn the curtain apart and opened a way for man into the otherwise inaccessible presence of God .” This invitation includes a relationship with God the Father in which we relate to him praying through Jesus while the Holy Spirit works in us, speaking to and through us and reminding and revealing the truth that Jesus has given us. This is why Jesus said in Luke 11, after teaching the Lord’s Prayer, that God the Father gives the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him. Again, we are not directed to speak to the Holy Spirit, but to receive him and allow him to work in and fill us. So in prayer I say, “Father God, I pray to you through Jesus and ask you to send Holy Spirit to fill me, heal me and guide me.”
Paul says in Romans 8 that the Holy Spirit is at work praying through us, and crying out, “Abba” through us. I believe this is further evidence that we address our prayers to the Father with help from the Holy Spirit. Rather than teach people to pray to the Holy Spirit, I teach that the Spirit helps us to pray to the Father. The New Testament presents God the Holy Spirit as an intercessor, comforter, advocate, bringer of truth, and Spirit who fills believers with power.
Wallis says, “ Praying in the Spirit” summarizes in a phrase the New Testament norm for the believer’s prayer life .“ I am convinced that if we are to learn to pray from Jesus’ model as well as the other New Testament figures, we find that the Holy Spirit is at work powerfully as believers are praying by the name (character and person) of Jesus Christ directly to God the Father.
Take the believers’ prayer in Acts 4: 24-31. The disciples raised their voices together in prayer to God. They addressed God as Sovereign Lord, stating he spoke through the Holy Spirit. They don’t even address their petition to Jesus because we read they speak about Jesus signifying that they are talking to God the Father. In verse 29 they pray, “Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. Stretch out your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” They pray through the name of Jesus (and not to Jesus or the Spirit) and after, the house shakes. They then are filled with the Holy Spirit and they are empowered to speak boldly. That’s prayer in the Spirit. This prayer aligns with the life and teaching of Jesus. Jesus is the only mediator between humankind and God . When we believe upon Jesus we are welcomed to talk directly with the Father whereby there is supernatural Spirit activity.
We see this in Paul’s epistles. His prayers are directed to God the Father through Jesus. (Only one time is noted when Paul didn’t petition God the Father. He pleads to the “Lord” for the thorn in his flesh to be removed). When opening his letters, like Romans 1:8, Paul says, “How I thank God through Jesus Christ.” In Colossians 1:3-14 Paul models praying, thanking, and asking God the Father through Jesus Christ. He exhorts the Philippians to pray and bring their requests to God so that the peace of Christ will be with them. He says, “Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice .” This is compelling for those wanting to learn about prayer. We need to build a theology of prayer on the totality of scripture. Combining the teaching and practice of Jesus with what Paul teaches we have a very specific model of prayer in which to put into practice. This continues my thesis that we pray directly to God the Father as Jesus made the way for us and do so filled with the Holy Spirit.
Clark H. Pinnock’s book, Flame of Love, illuminates another aspect of the Spirit in prayer. “Perhaps the Spirit wishes no other name than that the generic ascription for God. The others are called ‘Father’ and ‘Son,’ but Spirit takes no special name and chooses to remain anonymous. Deferentially he turns away from himself and graciously points to the others .” Pinnock goes on to say that Holy Spirit is humble and he hides his face, but blesses those he loves and also feels anguish in turn when those he loves are not in right relationship with God.
Dr. Scot McKnight, professor and well-known author, casually lectured on prayer and the church at a seminar I attended. He taught that we should address God as Father as we are taught to pray by Jesus who directed his prayers to the Father . I raised my hand and asked if he could speak more about praying to the Father opposed to Jesus or Holy Spirit. He casually in a matter-of-fact tone said, “Jesus taught us to pray to the Father and therefore we do, that’s it.” He turned to his notes and continued to talk. The questioning hands went up around the room. Many more wanted to comment and question this topic. He looked up from his notes and realized there were about ten hands in the air. He asked, “Is this really that big of an issue?” There was a resounding murmur of yeses! This topic of whom to pray to created a huge buzz that Dr. McKnight did not believe nor seem ready to discuss. He ended up writing a post entitled, “To Whom do we pray?,” on his blog that day and it generated a lot of response.
I am seeking to pray and learn about the mysterious yet what I believe to be a systematic order to the Trinity. I believe that indirectly I am teaching and discipling others as I pray aloud, like Jesus did outside the tomb of Lazarus in John 11. As others listen to us pray, they develop a theology of prayer. Jesus was concerned that his hearers knew that the Father sent him. He didn’t pray to the Holy Spirit, he prayed to the Father. Later when Jesus was preparing to leave the Earth he taught his disciples that the Holy Spirit would come and remind them of what he taught. The Spirit would convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment. When this happens people turn toward Jesus and the cross, which covers their guilt and sin so that they can stand before and petition a Holy God and Father. This relationship of prayer seems to me to be consistent with what I see in scripture. Regardless, we know God is a God of grace and is about teaching us gently and helping us to know him, who he is and how he works.
~Tony Gapastione, College Age and Young Adults Pastor
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Join the Conversation :: Have you ever run from God?
We’ve been talking about the fact that people were created to be in unity with God, but that they sometimes run from being in relationship with God?
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Join the Conversation :: Why do people run from God?
Have you ever heard someone use the term “running from God?”
What does that mean to you and why do you think that people do it?
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Join the Conversation :: Do we really want unity with God?
What do you think about this statement:
“…the deepest desire of the human person is to get in contact and to live in union with his or her God.” ¹
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¹ Quotation from ” One with God” by Veli-Matti Kärkkäinen
Q: What if a couple messes up in their purity?
Why does the church give the impression that a relationship is doomed if a couple messes up purity-wise, but then changes to honor God?
~Anonymous
First of all, I’m sorry if the church has given you that impression. Our God is a God of grace. Without grace, none of our relationships would stand a chance. We all sin, we all fall short, we all need the unending grace of Jesus to get back up and start over again (Romans 3:23). We also need the grace of Jesus to forgive one another if we have sinned sexually against one another.
That being said, as we talked about sexuality last Sunday and were reminded about how powerful the gift really is, we are wise to walk with one another in honesty in regards to sexuality and how that impacts our relationships. God is clear about his design for sexuality and there are boundaries he has set for it which our Lead Pastor Gary laid out for us on Sunday (listen to/watch his sermon 4/25). That is one of the church’s responsibilities, to lovingly teach the truth.
Having walked with people over the years who have compromised their purity, I can say with conviction that sexual sin does have powerful ramifications. We underestimate the devastation that comes to relationships when a gift of this magnitude is misused. It causes amazing amounts of hurt which are not easy to recover from. I’ve seen Christ following couples get involved sexually, want to get out of it, and end up in a cycle of sin/remorse/repentance/temptation/sin/remorse/repentance…and on and on it goes.
Getting involved sexually before marriage is a very difficult habit to break, so some of what you may be picking up is a more of a warning. Many of us in the church have compromised our purity in the past and have experienced the painful consequences. We don’t want that pain for you. On your wedding day, I think you want to look out into the crowd and see a sea of faces that believe in your marriage, that know your story, that have seen you address your brokenness, and that want to celebrate your joy. This will require living in community and openly addressing your struggle to remain pure. The temptation will be to run away from this kind of accountability.
I don’t believe the church thinks your relationship is doomed if purity has been compromised as that would underestimate the redemptive power of God (and I’m sorry if this is the message you have received); I do think what should be communicated is that this kind of sin has serious consequences and one of those consequences COULD be the end of a relationship. When a Christ following couple compromises sexually they break trust with God, one another and with their community.
At the very least, it will take time for the wounds the sin has caused to heal. I do believe that two people that are humble and willing to confess their sin (to God and to those they are in accountability relationships with), repent and live in purity have a good chance at building a relationship that will last a lifetime.
- Janet Miclean, Student Ministries Pastor
Q: Why can’t I feel God’s presence?
Why can’t I feel God’s presence? I know he is with me.
~Sherrie
When it comes to feeling God, I am with you. I wish I could “feel” him more. I know I am not an exception, but I think I am more sensory and emotional in how I was created so I enjoy feelings a lot and they have a profound effect on how I respond to God. I know God has created all of us that way somehow, with emotional needs. I find myself longing for a “feeling” of closeness with God and I love when I “feel” close to him. But I wonder if that can become dangerous. Usually my “feeling” of God is connected to something I have experienced like music, a film, and time with my family, silence, a creative space, or beautiful place. Sometimes feeling close to God also is a result of things I am doing (obedience, character growth, serving), and the opposite is true, also. I don’t feel close to God when I’m in disobedience, lazy, and selfish). But I think we must be careful in trying to seek out feelings to measure God’s closeness to us. I don’t see much in scripture when it comes to “feeling God,” but there are some truths that I could share with you that encourage me when I am discouraged with how I “feel.”
I think of when Jesus told Thomas (the doubter), “Blessed are those who believe with out seeing.” (John 20:28-30). Thomas only believed Jesus had risen from the dead once he saw. Jesus pointed to what we think as being a crucial element in our faith journey. I had a counselor one time tell me that Paul told the Colossians in chapter 3 to use their mind to think about things above.” So when I felt lonely, far from God, or lacked “that feeling,” I could use my “holy imagination,” according to my counselor. I thought it was great wisdom. So, now when I don’t feel God, I remind myself of God’s truth from scripture and picture Him close to me. Most of the times these God pictures are of parent/child moments that I long for or have experienced in my life with my own parents or with my own kids. One time I had a picture of God’s closeness in the form of a coach (and I am the farthest things from a jock). All that to day that we really are called to utilize our mind, the way we think will affect the way we feel. I’m certain of this in my marriage and my friendships with human beings I see and touch, so it is for sure true with how feel with God, whom I cannot see or touch. We think when we don’t feel God, and then he must not be there with us. But think about how James tells his readers to draw near to God and he will draw near to us. There’s something mystical to be said about our relationship with God and we are also responsible to act in our relationship with God. We shouldn’t just sit and wait for God to come near to us; although he already is we must acknowledge him and seek him, too.
With that said, I don’t think there is anything wrong with simply asking God that you might feel him. (Matthew 7:7-11) says ask, because God’s a good Father who likes to give his kids good things). Just be read for his answer. He may tell you to trust and obey him (Psalm 37:3-6), or to rely on his love that his grace is enough (2 Corinthian 12:7-10). But I’d simply encourage you to ask for more of his presence in your life, more awareness of his closeness to you. I hope you will be surprised by what happens, and whatever happens, may you choose to praise him no matter what, for God loves you and those he loves will lack no good thing (Psalm 34).
~Tony Gapastione, College Age & Young Adults Pastor
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Is there a grand design for sexuality? That is, if one could read an owner’s manual to discern human being’s optimal sexual existence, what would it say?
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Q: Does God regret?
In first Samuel, God grieves over making Saul king over Israel; does that mean God regrets?
This question speaks to the depth of relationship God wants with us. Besides the Samuel passage, God grieves prior to the flood (Genesis 6), Jesus weeps in grief over Jerusalem (Luke 19) and the death of Lazarus (John 11), plus we are warned not to grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4). From these examples we can only conclude that the Trinity, as one, is deeply emotionally engaged with the being they created. So does this means it includes regret? Actually that may be taking it too far. When my son or daughter fails in my kingdom expectations of them, I do not regret the fact I have had them, my grieving is involve sadness and a longing for better choices by them.
– Brian Rhen, People Development Pastor
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What is the best argument you have heard for the existence of God?
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Join the Conversation :: What percentage of your friends believe in God?
What percentage of your friends believe in God?
Do you ever talk about why or why not with them? If so, what is the main reason (for belief or non-belief) that you hear from them?
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Q: Why do we pray?
Why do we pray?
~Sherrie
God is calling you and I into a relationship with Him, and all healthy relationships require communication. Prayer is simply talking with God. It can be formal, conversational, joyful, angry, sad, or meditative. God’s great desire is to hear from you and to be heard. Throughout the Bible we’re taught the significance and role of prayer.
JESUS MODELS PRAYER AND TEACHES US TO PRAY (Luke 3:21; Mark 6:46; Matthew 6:5-14) Jesus is a man of prayer, He prays before making decisions, before meals, while serving, while with children, in times of joy and in times of sorrow. Jesus spent entire nights and whole days praying. He modeled communion with God and complete and utter dependence on God.
GOD INVITES US TO PRAY (Jeremiah 29:12-13) He wants to be in relationship with us. He knows what we need and wants us to ask Him. Through prayer, we experience life-transforming intimacy with a loving God.
GOD ASKS US TO BRING OUR BURDENS AND NEEDS IN PRAYER (Matthew 11:28; Psalm 23) We have a good Father who is more than able to bring victory to any challenge we face. God is a spiritual and physical healer. He is a comforter and protector.
GOD RESPONDS TO PRAYER (II Kings 20:5; Daniel; James 5:16b) It is through prayer, that God’s work is accomplished on earth. God answers prayer! He responds to those who pray.
GOD PERFORMS THE IMPOSSIBLE THROUGH PRAYER (Matthew 21:22) We serve and pray to the God of miracles. He can move mountains, walk on water and overcome death. He desires to know our hearts and perform the impossible.
GOD REVEALS HIMSELF THROUGH PRAYER (Psalm 143:10; Matthew 7:7-8) We learn more and more about His character and His will by drawing close Him. God reveals Himself to those who ask to know Him.
GOD GIVES WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING THROUGH PRAYER (James 1:5) As we become aware of our limitations we can rest in God’s sovereignty and goodness. God gives wisdom and offers up hope and understanding. His ways are not our ways, and it is through sincere prayer this is revealed.
GOD HELPS US RESIST TEMPTATION (Matthew 26:41) With prayer, you always have a shield of protection. Call on the name of Jesus in the wake of temptation.
~Todd Gumbrecht, Connection Pastor
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Do you think “belief” and “faith” are the same thing?
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Join the Conversation :: Do you think the world is mostly good or mostly evil? Why?
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